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By Lee Chilcote
With historical photos
The day I met Chris Warren at the 85-year-old Lorain
Avenue Savings and Loan building, it was in the throes of a massive
renovation. We shook hands over the din of hammers and walked up
the marble steps, leaving footprints in the sawdust. Parked in the
offices of the Cleveland Green Building Coalition (GBC), a non-profit
spearheading the conversion, Warren slowly began to divulge the
story of how this space, a stone’s throw away from downtown,
came to be at the crossroads of a pivotal moment in the neighborhood
and the city’s history.
The former director of Cleveland’s Economic
Development Department was back where he launched his career. The
modest 25,000 square feet of space was awash in buzz because GBC
was redeveloping it with environmentally friendly or “green”
technologies. But that wasn’t the only reason it has significance
greater than its size. Today, the space houses a Fifth Third Bank
branch and the Adam Joseph Lewis Cleveland Environmental Center.
But beyond the satisfaction of seeing it renovated, observers such
as Warren are excited by the possibility that the people inside,
not the bricks and mortar, will make it a landmark again.
Standing on the corner of Lorain Avenue and Fulton
Road, it’s impossible to miss the building. Taller than every
other structure around it, only the Carnegie West Library—another
gorgeous, classically inspired building on Fulton—rivals its
grace. Standing in stark contrast are a cookie-cutter Hollywood
Video, Citgo gas station and the shabby façade of Unique
Thrift store just across the street.
Five stories high, with ornate, restored sandstone,
terra cotta and brickwork, the bank building emanates a reliable
and rooted air. Designed by William Carter and finished in 1918,
it was once the hub of a growing ethnic neighborhood and represented
the edge of downtown as it pushed hopefully westward. Later, in
the 1960s and 70s, the bank’s upper floors housed the offices
of burgeoning community groups whose work to repair the holes in
the social fabric of the neighborhood made it a roiling hotbed of
activism.
The building’s redevelopment marks a return
to these roots: Once again it’s both a center for non-profit
groups and a bank branch. No one knows the importance of this better
than Warren who got his start here in the early 70s as an organizer
for the feisty Welfare Rights Coalition.
By the time Warren and his cohorts moved in, the neighborhood
had substantially changed. The odds were steep that they would be
able to turn the tide of blight on the Near West side.
“West 25th Street had not hit its lowest ebb,
but it was pretty close,” recalls 30-year resident and former
councilwoman Helen Smith. “Old women walked out of the high
rise and had their purses stolen within 15 steps!”
In response, residents organized in living rooms and
around kitchen tables to fight against slum landlords, boarded up
houses, redlining and drugs – and to fight for housing inspections,
city services and health care. Cities like Cleveland had begun to
grapple with the flight and abandonment haunting them today, when
droves of people packed up and moved to the suburbs. Simultaneously,
the Civil Rights Movement and anti-war movement had begun to throw
America’s urban problems into sharp relief. Mostly, it was
left to the young activists to address urban poverty.
So it was a delicious twist of fate that some of the
community groups formed to battle problems such as bank redlining
housed their offices in the bank building. The Cleveland Trust and
small businesses such as dentists and doctors leased space until
the mid 60s when the social service organizations started to move
in. The first was Near West Side Multi-Service Center, a clearinghouse
for social service programs and the administrator of anti-poverty
programs that were formed under President Lyndon Johnson.
The bank building quickly filled up with community
organizing groups like West Side Development Corporation, Legal
Aid Society, All People’s Credit Union, Welfare Rights Coalition,
Puerto Rican Community Development Organization, and others.
Unfortunately, the neighborhood’s problems were
not unique – across the city, groups were fighting to be heard
at City Hall. Through a combination of bare-knuckled moxie, wit
and determination, they transformed from citizen-led grassroots
groups, to non-profits with staff and a budget, to today’s
more sophisticated community development corporations, which mix
economic development with organizing and services.
These efforts, successful in many respects and important
in laying the groundwork for re-development, did not suffice to
keep the Cleveland Trust from closing its doors. In a sign of the
times, Cleveland Trust was sold to Ameritrust in the late 70s, and
the bank branch was closed. The company sold the building to Antiques
in the Bank, a quirky store that, though fondly remembered, let
the building fall into ruin. When the dealer sold the building and
moved further west in the early 90s, it sat empty. In the years
that followed, 3500 Lorain became an address where dark, boarded
windows at once hinted at the city’s prosperous past, and
served as a reminder of its present blight.
As this rustbelt city found ways to reinvent itself
through downtown development projects and the grassroots efforts
of a cadre of CDCs, bright spots appeared around the shuttered building.
Pioneers trickled in, forming the Ohio City neighborhood just west
of downtown across the snaking Cuyahoga River. They renovated the
gorgeous Victorians that line Franklin and Bridge, attracting others
who fixed up the modest worker cottages in between. The West Side
Market and W. 25th Street received facelifts in the 90s, vivifying
neighborhood retail. Storefront restaurants and corner brewpubs
sprouted like wildflowers. Still, the old bank building sat vacant,
a gigantic piece in the puzzle of this neighborhood’s revitalization,
waiting to be lifted into place.
In the late 90s, the GBC, developer Ed Small, and
Ohio City Near West Development Corporation finally led the charge
to redevelop the office building in a way that was at once green
and historic. The Cleveland Environmental Center provides shared
space and a collaborative environment for several non-profits, many
of which are environmental groups. Current tenants include EcoCity
Cleveland, Environmental Health Watch, the Enterprise Foundation,
Planned Parenthood, The Nature Conservancy and the GBC. The building
re-opened in 2003.
To Warren, the redevelopment not only preserved a
landmark, but helped to buoy the neighborhood’s psyche.
“This neighborhood had been written off by the
powers that be,” he says. “This has brought the building
back as a resource. In urban neighborhoods, a bank is like a shrine;
it’s symbolic of worth and value. When branches close, people
get pissed off. This brings it back as a place where people are
entitled to everyday, commercial services.”
As Warren suggests, the bank is more than a physical
emblem of an earlier period; the memories of what took place inside
the building, the chronicle of citizens that fought for their neighborhood
tell a quintessentially urban tale.
In its first few decades, the Lorain Avenue Savings and Loan, as
it was known then, served a diverse, growing neighborhood. The corner
of Lorain and Fulton was a center of commercial services and a gateway
from other areas.
“This was an important commercial hub of the
city at the time,” says Tim Barrett, an architectural historian
and lifelong resident. “There was a block of commercial buildings
(at Lorain & Fulton), including the two-story Lorain Theater
(later a Pick and Pay supermarket, currently the thrift shop) but
the bank was the tallest. Before people had cars, this was also
an important trolley exchange.”
The style of the building reflected its importance.
It fits into the classical architecture of the Group Plan buildings
downtown (designed by famed Chicago architect Daniel Burnham). “We
were the fifth largest city, and with Tom Johnson as our mayor,
very progressive,” Barrett recalls.
The building has two sections – a stone lower
level which housed the bank lobby, and three upper stories for offices.
The lower level has a dramatic interior - finely executed terra
cotta, patterned metal door at the entrance, and grated bronze grills
over the windows that recall the stout pride of the Industrial Age.
Restoration crews found the original colors of the vaulted, 26-foot
ceiling under layers of paint. The colorful plaster, paneled woodwork,
and Tennessee marble floor speak of the wealth of this booming city
at the turn of the last century. The lower level vault has an Egyptian
design that reflects the excitement of the discovery of King Tut’s
tomb.
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Barrett talks wistfully about the neighborhood in
the 50s, and the times he visited the bank with his mother. “I
was born and raised on Duke Avenue,” he says. “There
were only ten houses on the street, but each one had a different
ethnic identity. The street was our front yard, because the houses
were so close to the street, but there wasn’t much traffic…I
was more interested in the little building next to the bank –
it was a Royal Castle, one of those early fast food chains. Hamburgers
were 15 cents. We went through the couch cushions to get coins and
then walked to the Royal Castle.”
Jack and Ray Chambers recall visiting the bank as
kids with their father, Bernard Chambers, the building superintendent
from the early 30s until about 1937, when it closed for nearly a
decade during the Depression. It reopened in 1946 as a Cleveland
Trust branch.
“My grandparents grew up in Ohio City, on West
28th off Bridge,” Jack says. “My dad was an electrician,
and went to work at the bank as the superintendent because his brother-in-law,
John Cleary, worked for the bank as the Treasurer. We used to visit
dad at work, and stop at Kimmick’s Grocery on Bridge on the
way home. That’s where dad and mom did their shopping—we
bought broken cookies by the bagful. Every Christmas, they put a
big train set up in the lobby of the bank; there was a big Christmas
tree, too. And of course, we all remember the Royal Castle next
door, and going for birch beer and hamburgers.”
“Dad kept the building up,” Ray explains.
“Sometimes he’d take us up in the elevator, pull the
lever, and bring us to the roof of the building. We’d look
down at the hamburger joint and the neighborhood.”
“What was Fulton and Lorain like?” I ask.
“Was it a busy intersection?”
Jack nods, and mentions other, similar buildings that
once stood across the street, “a movie theater, and a business
called AAA Appliances and All People’s Furniture. Above the
bank were offices—dentists, chiropractors and doctors. People
operated on a ‘pay ya later’ basis then, and banks weren’t
like they are today. People didn’t have money to save, and
they didn’t trust banks. What would you do in a bank? Nobody
would lend to you, because you couldn’t pay it back!”
Mary Mahon’s memories of the Cleveland Trust
branch are not rosy. She remembers being rejected for a $500 loan,
and describes banks as “part of the downfall of the neighborhood,
because some people wanted to invest, and they wouldn’t give
them a chance.” Yet she wasn’t about to get chased out.
“We’d go to meetings and fight,” she says. “We’d
get 500 people together and picket the banks [to try to convince
them to lend in the city]. There were some hot and heavy ones!”
This organizing was a part of a national movement
given extra momentum by the War on Poverty, an initiative of President
Johnson that sought to reclaim urban neighborhoods by involving
those most affected in creating change. Though it would seem extraordinary
today, the feds funded groups charged with community organizing
– groups that often took on the government as their target.
This included the VISTA program, which hired organizers to work
at community organizations.
“The War on Poverty was a reaction to poverty
in our cities and rural areas,” says Warren. “It was
a reaction to the ferocity of the Civil Rights Movement, and the
race riots that hit pretty much every major city, including Cleveland.
It established programs to address the root causes of poverty.”
Gail Long, director for the past 30 years of Merrick
House, a neighborhood service center in Tremont, says VISTA volunteers
offered a big boost. Long finished graduate school in social work
in the late ‘60s and plunged into organizing. Her no-nonsense
approach earned her respect from both friends and enemies.
“The poverty program called for community action,”
she says, leaning back in her chair and massaging her temple as
if rubbing a lamp to stir a genie back to life. “You’re
making me remember things my brain doesn’t want to remember.
“Back then, we did organizing,” she says. “This
was the time of the Vietnam War. The first VISTAs were here when
the Kent State students got killed. It was a pretty significant
time in all of our lives.
“Because of VISTA, there was organizing around
the country – until the government realized, what the hell
did we allow? Then it went boom, it got cut immediately. [After]
there were some organizers around, but they were pretty mealy-mouthed.
The government didn’t want people to become empowered.”
Today, there are strict limits on VISTAs’ political activity.
Participatory democracy was no pipe dream, but “really
taken to heart” in the bank building, says Warren. “There
was a community board; the governance of funds by the director of
the multi service center and how the building operated flowed from
community decision making. The board was elected from the neighborhood.
If you lived on the Near West Side, you could vote; that doesn’t
happen with many neighborhood groups anymore.”
Today, community development is usually thought of
as “bricks and mortar” – building or renovating
houses, or attracting businesses to a community. Yet many CDCs started
out at a grassroots level. In the bank building, the Multi Service
Center spawned a group called the West Side Development Corporation,
an early rendition of a CDC. The group was “focused on human
development,” says Warren.
“CDCs were stimulators of activity, not owners
of property—they stirred the pot. The Welfare Rights Coalition
organized six or seven welfare rights locals on the Near West side,
and they helped people to navigate applying for public assistance.”
The West Side Development Corporation spawned West
Side Citizens for Better Health Care, whose organizing won two Free
Clinics in Tremont and Ohio City. The CDC also campaigned for recreation,
city services, and public housing. “The fire station at 32nd
and Lorain was the result of citizen actions,” says Warren.
“There were efforts to do something about public housing,
and this helped to create the Section 8 program.”
Another group headquartered in the bank building was
Citizens’ Revolt against Substandard Housing. CRASH worked
for better enforcement of housing codes, cracked down on slum landlords,
and created affordable housing. Yet another group tackled the area’s
drug problems.
“Glue sniffing was the worst drug problem in
the area, can you believe that?” says Larry Bresler, a VISTA
volunteer and editor of The Plain Press in the late 60s, now the
director of Organize Ohio. “I organized the ‘Snuff out
Sniffing Coalition’ or ‘SOS’. We got state legislation
passed.”
Some of these fights changed urban policy in important
ways. One hot issue in the 70s was the building of the federal highways,
which sliced up neighborhoods and led to thousands of houses being
torn down to make way for the massive roads. After watching Tremont
get carved up, Ohio City residents banded together to keep a highway
out; the groups with offices in the bank were major players in the
campaign.
“The Interstates did a lot to empty our cities,”
says Charlie Butts, a former state senator and neighborhood developer.
Sitting in the living room of his brick Victorian home on Franklin,
with its natural woodwork and leaded glass windows, the magnitude
of saving the neighborhood from highways becomes clear.
“Today, the I-71 exit at W. 65th stops at Denison
– there’s a huge highway ‘spur’ that doesn’t
go anywhere,” he says. “The highway planners wanted
this spur to go to I-90; there would be a big cloverleaf there,
and it would connect with the Shoreway. Councilman Michael Zone
joined our fight. This was a tremendously courageous thing to do;
he was under a lot of pressure because of the money in building
roads.
“When I was in the Ohio Senate I asked, ‘Why
don’t we do something with that vacant land?’”
Butts continued. “The Department of Transportation said, ‘We
can’t – we might build a cloverleaf there someday’!
I was so angry…we finally got it taken off the map, and the
city built a recreation center there. Quite appropriately, it was
named the [Michael] Zone Recreation Center.”
Among the challenges the groups in the bank building faced was maintaining
affordable housing while encouraging development. Back then, most
people called it the west side; Ohio City was a “code word,”
according to Warren.
“The early Ohio City pioneers came in the mid 70s,”
he says. “At first, this consisted of well-off people that
bought houses on Jay Avenue and restored them. As this grew, there
was a more-than-passing conflict between these people and [those
working to create affordable housing]. The term ‘gentrification’
wasn’t invented yet, but those that called it ‘Ohio
City’ were the new people with money.”
Charlie Butts was considered an ‘urban pioneer’ when
he moved into the neighborhood in the late 1960s. “Thirty
five years ago, I bought a house on (West) 33rd,” he says.
“I remember driving in my U-Haul from West Park, and looking
out over West Boulevard as I drove towards the neighborhood. I was
thinking, ‘What am I doing? People worked two generations
to get out beyond here! And I’m bringing my family back in?’”
Butts calls the term gentrification “a misnomer.” As
he puts it, “This was a time when cities were empty except
for the poorest people. The people at the bottom, the people that
some advocates claimed to be talking for, lived in substandard housing.
Everyone benefited from having a middle class and nobody more so
than the poor. The idea that it was wrong to redevelop our cities
– that we should have left them the way they were –
is not an answer.”
Helen Smith, who moved in during the 70s, has sharp words for those
that cry ‘gentrification’ about local redevelopment
efforts. As we talk in her Carroll Avenue home, she sits up in her
chair and gestures out the window at some invisible enemy, her voice
heating up.
“There has always been this cadre of people that are pro-affordable
housing at the expense of doing any market rate,” she says.
“They’re middle- to upper-middle class. The original
group moved in during the 60s and 70s; they were part of the anti-war
movement, and later the Catholic Worker movement. They wanted to
go to the inner city and ‘do good’ to the poor.
“Some of them never asked what poor people wanted! One thing
that poor people don’t want is more poor people in their neighborhood.
A healthy neighborhood is mixed income – Ohio City proves
that.”
Bill Merriman disagrees. “Everyone wants to see the city redeveloped,”
he says. “But we need jobs and housing that people can afford.
New townhouses, like the ones going up here, aren’t going
to do that.”
Part of the issue is the gradual maturation in the style of community
development, explains Warren. “For better, the Near West side
is a community characterized by activism, and development has brought
vitality. For worse, gentrification has created groups that exclude
people with less money.”
Though there are differing opinions, there is little argument that
redevelopment has helped to stabilize the neighborhood. It has also
made it tough for those in power to forget.
“The Near West side was one of the many areas that thought
we couldn’t fight city hall,” says Butts. “Now
we are city hall – we have a judge that lives down the street
and the city development director lives in the area. They pay more
attention to us now.”
Many of the community leaders that led these fights were ordinary
people without any political experience. They learned to chair meetings,
organize their neighbors, and work with public officials to solve
problems – or hold their feet to the fire.
Case in point: Lillian Craig. Wherever there was a demonstration,
you’d find, or hear her.
“We brought people to Washington for a convention on the War
on Poverty programs,” Long recalls, “and during a workshop,
Lillian took the microphone away from the head of the welfare program
and told him: ‘You’re full of shit!’ She was under-educated,
but a bright, articulate woman. She taught me how to swear.”
Helen Smith got involved to try to get the vacant, fire-damaged
house behind her house torn down. “When I first moved here,
I didn’t even know what a politician did!” the former
councilwoman quips. “Then I found myself living with this
burned-out hulk of a house behind me for three years. I started
saying, ‘Who is responsible for this’? I was outraged
that people would put up with this.”
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Shelby Holmes, another long-time Near West side resident,
became active when her husband walked out on her. “One day
I went down to the welfare department, and they said my husband
had to come with me,” she recalls. “I said, ‘Well,
if he was going to take care of us, I wouldn’t be here’!
So, Shelby and some friends talked to a national welfare rights
organizer and started a local group, All People’s Credit Union,
in the bank building. The credit union provided loans to neighborhood
residents, which generated interest and grew their resources.
Yet the groups in the bank building weren’t
always effective, Bresler says. The West Side Organization against
Hunger, which offered meal programs to the hungry, was torn apart
by a debate over providing services to the poor, versus addressing
the causes of poverty. Other groups, such as West Side Citizens
for Better Health Care, got caught up in their own dogma. This group
“helped to create several health centers,” says Bresler,
“yet they had this extreme, far left view of health care –
nobody could relate to it.” He adds with a smile, “Not
only that, they were stoned most of the time!”
“The organizing style was ‘us vs. them’”
adds Smith. “This was necessary at the time, but we realized
later that we needed to be more collaborative.”
The organizing work prepared these leaders for their
careers. Most of those that had higher education stayed for a few
years, and then moved on. They took their experiences with them
to higher-level positions with non-profit organizations or municipal
government.
When I asked Gail Long why she went into organizing after grad school,
she said she didn’t do it out of passion for any single issue,
but because she believed in organizing. “We hoped more people
would take control over their lives,” she comments.
Not even the best organizing could quench the fires of the late
60s and 70s, when arson became an epidemic in Cleveland neighborhoods.
“All of West 7th Street in Tremont went up in flames one summer,”
says Bresler. “Not a day went by that you didn’t hear
the sirens.”
“One night, I walked from my house to three different fires,”
Butts recounts.
“The fire truck never went home! The arsons led to redlining
– banks were unwilling to lend, and it was hard to get insurance.”
In a tight-knit neighborhood like Ohio City, arson also bred panic.
“The houses are so close together, if one started to burn
down, it’d take out the entire block,” says Helen Smith.
“People lived in absolute fear. They babysat vacant houses
overnight to try to stop it.”
Some of the arsons were committed by absentee landlords cashing
in on insurance (it was worth more than their property at the time).
Some were done for kicks by kids. Neighborhood leaders quickly realized
that no matter how many landlords they dragged into court, this
wouldn’t make their homes rise up from the ashes.
“We had a community meeting about it,” says Bresler.
“Out of the anger came a decision to plan for the future –
we decided we needed our own local development corporation.”
“There was this one slumlord, Joe Nader, that owned almost
every corner store in the neighborhood,” adds Warren. “He
ran them into the ground – then conspired to have his own
buildings burned down! He burned a couple more than once.”
Helen Smith explains how, together with the community groups in
the bank building, they organized an anti-arson campaign. “We
got organized and asked for two detectives to be assigned, and they
cracked the whole thing wide open,” she says. “Many
of the houses that burned down were eminently fixable. We also put
together a board-up program, so the city was responsible for boarding
up houses that were vacant.”
Joe Nader was sentenced to jail eventually, but even this victory
left a lot of burned-out, vacant buildings. The CDC’s were
formed in response to this, and those on the Near West side came
out of the groups in the bank building. In Tremont, residents formed
the Tremont West Development Corporation; in Ohio City, they formed
Near West Citizens in Action and the Near West Housing Corporation.
The former group continued organizing, while the latter took on
housing redevelopment.
“We were a developer of last resort,” says Warren, who
became Director of Tremont West. “We bought vacant houses,
fixed them up and sold them for a price that people could afford.
This was the start of the lease-purchase program [an affordable
housing program through which low-income residents can own their
homes after renting for fifteen years]. The banks wouldn’t
lend, so we did it ourselves.”
The organizers cum developers also created better code enforcement
through the creation of Housing Court. “Today, Cleveland does
inspect properties, and the court keeps on top of prosecutions,”
says Charlie Butts. “We have CDCs that assist seniors and
others who don’t have resources to fix up their houses. If
there’s an absentee landlord that doesn’t maintain his
property, we can use the power of the courts to force him.”
Ultimately, it was development that solved the arson problem –
rising property values meant that property was worth investing in.
“You’re sitting in a house I paid $13,000 for,”
says Butts. “When I bought this property, it wasn’t
in bad shape – there just wasn’t a market for housing
in this neighborhood. I think it’s worth a bit more now!”
As the neighborhood groups in the bank building evolved into CDCs,
the style of organizing changed. When Smith describes the antagonism
that existed between neighborhood groups and city hall, she rolls
her eyes. “During the late 70s, there was a seniors’
organization that succeeded in getting the Golden Buckeye card,”
she says. “Well, this group decided they wanted a ‘senior
response police car’ in every district. Good idea, right?
The 2nd District police commander thought so – but Mayor Dennis
Kucinich refused. So the seniors’ group decides to demonstrate
against him, and fill the City Hall rotunda. Can you imagine all
these old people getting on buses to go to city hall and beat up
on Dennis? What a crazy time!”
But then Cleveland went into default, and the neighborhood groups
realized that “there wasn’t any money to fight over,”
says Smith. “It shook us to the core, and after that, a new
spirit descended on the city. There had been 20 years of turmoil
at city hall, of council and the mayor not getting along, of the
business community bashing the politicians. It had to change. We
knew it couldn’t be ‘us vs. them’ anymore.”
Today’s community organizations could not have been formed
without the efforts of groups such as those in the bank building.
The redevelopment efforts they started continue today; one of the
most recent accomplishments is the rehabbed bank building. The tenant
mix creates a synergy of groups working towards similar goals of
activism and social justice, while using a variety of means to achieve
this end.
According to Charlie Butts, the spirit of community involvement
and neighborhood reinvestment continues to attract people to the
Near West side.
“What people love about this community is that
it isn’t done yet,” he says. The area’s housing
exemplifies this. “There are a lot of workmen’s cottages
that originally came from Sears & Roebucks on a flatbed truck,
and the owners put them together from a kit. Today, you see people
fixing these cottages up, putting in skylights, adding modern amenities
– they become cute houses. We’re still fixing things,
changing things, improving things.”
If you had a friend visit, and they asked about the history of these
groups, what would you tell them? I ask Shelby.
“I’d tell them that you can fight City
Hall. That even a small group can make a difference,” she
says. “I’d tell them that it’s important to talk
to your neighbors, because you can be heard; and that you shouldn’t
expect the Councilman to do it, because he probably won’t.
That’s not his job – it’s the people’s job.
I’d tell them a lot was accomplished. And I’d tell them
that in the last 20 years some people are forgetting, and we’re
sliding back.”
Was she hopeful about the legacy of organizing on the Near West
side? I ask Long.
“Everything in this country is done for profit,
and we came smack up against that,” she says. “On the
one hand, it’s frustrating, but on the other hand, it makes
you feel like it’s worth continuing. We’ve won a lot
of victories. We’re always going to be pushed up against the
wall. Housing and health care are not rights in this country. Education
is being attacked. We have to keep pushing until we make some progress.
All that we have that is powerful is ourselves.”
Chris Warren’s experiences as an organizer have
impressed him with the Near West side, which was never a community
to lie down and roll over.
“This is one of the best organized communities
in the city,” he says. “People here know how to rally,
to come together and fight for something. These groups were important
because we not only built leaders, we built a heritage and an expectation.
Politicians don’t try to get away with the same things here
that they think they can get away with elsewhere. That goes back
to what people shared in this building.”
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